Oh the women and children…annual leave, sick leave, family friendly leave act, leave without pay, flex schedules, maternity leave,
“Across the country it is estimated that 800,000 federal employees will not be paid until the shutdown ends”
What it also means is that there are 800,000 “non-essential” employees whom as a taxpayer I pay for.. We’ve identified the non-essentials. When do the termination slips go out?
Been there, done that, not a big deal! I volunteered to stay home during a shut down and my managers told me no.
A peripheral issue, one that needs to get addressed in juxtaposition with debacle at hand. Will the same author decry the obstinance of the left to serious border security and consequences of not building a wall? Doubtful!>>
Border security is one thing, Paul. The wall is a political stunt. Unfortunately for the president, it looks like this time he’s outkicked his coverage.
John … your comments are incredibly demeaning. Without any substantiation, you’ve chosen to smear 800,000 employees regardless of their position, agency affiliation, etc. This says a lot more about you then it does about them. No surprise you love this whackadoodle president.
This “whackadoodle president” managed to beat the smartest woman in the universe. He remains President while she is sitting on the sidelines. Hey I hear her Foundation needs money, you can contribute to the cause.
Witnessed the ineptness of the federal bureaucracy including mine.
Maybe these superb employees are doing research into amoebas, hey? Or how fast shrimp run?
NationalReview 2015: “The Ten Most Ridiculous Ways the Government Wastes Your Money”
10. $283,500 on Department of Defense bird-watching (DOD)
9. $48,500 to write about Russian smokers (NIH)
8. $406,419 to look at a “chicken and egg” problem (NSF)
3. $65,473 to figure out what bugs do near a lightbulb (NPS)
2. Making Americans do their dishes twice (DOE)
1. $35,000 for solar-powered beer (DOA)
John … the fact that Trump won or lost doesn’t address the fact that he is an incompetent, greedy liar and the executive branch is in disarray. On the subject of government spending, of course there are lots of ways the government wastes money — from the Federal government to the smallest municipality. But that doesn’t justify your broad-brushed smear of 800,000 government workers that do a good job and have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Once again, your extreme position on this issue says a lot more about you then it does about them. By the way, my letter carrier is terrific. Maybe yours is, too.
Looks like George is stuck not knowing which end of the leftist turd to grab first.
The dubious argument about the wall being ineffective, expensive, etc. never seems to include results of not having one. Tell that to the cop’s wife who just got killed by an illegal immigrant in CA. Bleeding hearts seem to believe that manna comes from heaven, regardless of what we do or don’t do.
National security is an imperative, short of which we are on a slippery slope to third world status. We have failed states below our border and yet another caravan is materializing…while some in our midst decry those who insist we insulate ourselves from vanton invasion.
It defies logic and is a direct affront to sane citizenry at large. One solution is to deport all wackos to fill the void in other countries..
BTW, John seems to know a great deal more about law enforcement than you care to know.
I interviewed a person who walked across the border in the 80’s. Part of a group from the ‘Warsaw Pact’ that came across.
NewAmerican 2014: “Immigrants From Over 75 Countries Illegally Crossing U.S. Border”
The “Wall” not only keeps people out, but the money “from ill gotten means” going back into Mexico. Yea, all the money made from drugs, etc has to go back there.
WaPo 2017: “A side effect of peace in Colombia? A cocaine boom in the U.S.”
Heck the best example is Obama’s “Fast and Furious” where guns purchased in the USA found their way into Mexico. All documented.
Wiki “”Gunwalking”, or “letting guns walk”, was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran a series of sting operations between 2006 and 2011 in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF “purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them”. These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project int…”
Boggs, your callous dismissal of 800,000 people (human beings) suggests you need a heart replacement.
Sofranac: vulgarity does not become you, nor does it add any positive to this open forum. As to your outcries for the wall of contention, there are some serious considerations that neither you nor your POTUS seem to have considered: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UdUIXvwuwto
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“Boggs, your callous dismissal of 800,000 people (human beings) suggests you need a heart replacement.”
Correct about the heart…in my careers I survived err thrived working in the worst crime ridden city; spent years in 3 war zones; and overcoming ruthless bureaucrats….
Maybe your opinion will change as the Feds don’t exactly know how many people they employ: “the federal workforce is composed of an estimated 2 million civilian workers,”
Federal Workforce Statistics Sources: OPM and OMB
Julie Jennings Senior Research Librarian
Jared C. Nagel Senior Research Librarian
January 12, 2018
According to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the federal workforce is composed of an estimated 2 million civilian workers,1 and several federal agencies collect, compile, and publish statistics about this workforce. Sources may vary in their totals due to differences in how federal workforce statistics are compiled. Some sources rely on “head counts” of employees (such as the Office of Management and Budget [OMB]), some on total hours worked (OPM), some on surveys of employing agencies, and others on self-identification by workers surveyed in their homes. In addition, federal civilian employee databases may exclude particular departments, agencies, or branches of government. Some may also account for temporary or seasonal employees (such as those employed by the U.S. Census) depending on the time of year the statistics are generated. This report focuses on differences in methodologies, including exclusions, and the frequency of data collection employed by OMB and OPM to determine the size and scope of the federal workforce. These differences will facilitate the selection of appropriate data for specific purposes.
Gentlemen, I can not believe that the furloughed employees are considered by you as persons who should be summarily fired as nonessential.
Most of the persons labeled “nonessential” perform vital functions.
As an example, if the President is earnest in deporting criminals, why are the most of the Immigration Judges labeled nonessential when thousand of cases must be heard as required by law. The Immigration Judges at detention centers continue to work without pay while their colleagues who have non-detained dockets are on furlough and they have numerous hearings, including deportation hearings for criminal aliens. I cannot think of a single position within the Immigration Court system which should go unfulfilled. These persons are not “minor bureaucratic functionaries”. It is a folly to simply say fire all government employees labeled nonessential.
I agree that there is lots of taxpayer monies wasted, just look at GAO reports on the monies wasted during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Our whole government process for acquisition of goods and services is totally flawed.
By the way, did the National Review indicated if the bird watching monies related to clearing air base runways of birds to avoid plane strikes? There are many pork barrel projects awarded because it was a request by congressperson for his/her district, Was this such a project?
I really enjoy the exchange of ideas. Keep them coming.
LOVING the tunnel vision displayed by the Trumpsters. As a bunch who denigrate scientific studies I can understand that they don’t have a clue what the purpose is of any funded research so they make fun of the title and leave it at that. The people not working at Social Security will only leave claimants and recipients with longer wait times getting paid or making corrections to their records and stopping overpayments that can develop due to changes in their status under Soc Sec and/or SSI eligibility. All the people who operate businesses that serve food to the people who are not working will lose that income for how long it takes. But concerns beyond the size of their “hands” is not something Trumpsters can engage in.
Is this the prime motivator behind Tweety’s wall tantrums? Is Erdogan needling him about his success at starting a 500 mi wall while Tweety is in a fight with Congress? Is Putin joining in on the needling?
Note that contrary to the headline, ALL the other “walls” cited are FENCES or a mix, like ours, of FENCES and walls.http://americanactionnews.com/articles/9-turkey-syria
Oh the women and children…annual leave, sick leave, family friendly leave act, leave without pay, flex schedules, maternity leave,
“Across the country it is estimated that 800,000 federal employees will not be paid until the shutdown ends”
What it also means is that there are 800,000 “non-essential” employees whom as a taxpayer I pay for.. We’ve identified the non-essentials. When do the termination slips go out?
Been there, done that, not a big deal! I volunteered to stay home during a shut down and my managers told me no.
BTW, I haven’t missed one thing these people do.
A peripheral issue, one that needs to get addressed in juxtaposition with debacle at hand. Will the same author decry the obstinance of the left to serious border security and consequences of not building a wall? Doubtful!>>
Border security is one thing, Paul. The wall is a political stunt. Unfortunately for the president, it looks like this time he’s outkicked his coverage.
John sounds like a real stiff.
We have identified 800,000 minor bureaucratic functionaries that have no impact on everyday life.
Fire them as they won’t be missed!
Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please.
Mark Twain
John … your comments are incredibly demeaning. Without any substantiation, you’ve chosen to smear 800,000 employees regardless of their position, agency affiliation, etc. This says a lot more about you then it does about them. No surprise you love this whackadoodle president.
This “whackadoodle president” managed to beat the smartest woman in the universe. He remains President while she is sitting on the sidelines. Hey I hear her Foundation needs money, you can contribute to the cause.
Witnessed the ineptness of the federal bureaucracy including mine.
Maybe these superb employees are doing research into amoebas, hey? Or how fast shrimp run?
NationalReview 2015: “The Ten Most Ridiculous Ways the Government Wastes Your Money”
10. $283,500 on Department of Defense bird-watching (DOD)
9. $48,500 to write about Russian smokers (NIH)
8. $406,419 to look at a “chicken and egg” problem (NSF)
3. $65,473 to figure out what bugs do near a lightbulb (NPS)
2. Making Americans do their dishes twice (DOE)
1. $35,000 for solar-powered beer (DOA)
John … the fact that Trump won or lost doesn’t address the fact that he is an incompetent, greedy liar and the executive branch is in disarray. On the subject of government spending, of course there are lots of ways the government wastes money — from the Federal government to the smallest municipality. But that doesn’t justify your broad-brushed smear of 800,000 government workers that do a good job and have bills to pay and mouths to feed. Once again, your extreme position on this issue says a lot more about you then it does about them. By the way, my letter carrier is terrific. Maybe yours is, too.
Looks like George is stuck not knowing which end of the leftist turd to grab first.
The dubious argument about the wall being ineffective, expensive, etc. never seems to include results of not having one. Tell that to the cop’s wife who just got killed by an illegal immigrant in CA. Bleeding hearts seem to believe that manna comes from heaven, regardless of what we do or don’t do.
National security is an imperative, short of which we are on a slippery slope to third world status. We have failed states below our border and yet another caravan is materializing…while some in our midst decry those who insist we insulate ourselves from vanton invasion.
It defies logic and is a direct affront to sane citizenry at large. One solution is to deport all wackos to fill the void in other countries..
BTW, John seems to know a great deal more about law enforcement than you care to know.
I interviewed a person who walked across the border in the 80’s. Part of a group from the ‘Warsaw Pact’ that came across.
NewAmerican 2014: “Immigrants From Over 75 Countries Illegally Crossing U.S. Border”
The “Wall” not only keeps people out, but the money “from ill gotten means” going back into Mexico. Yea, all the money made from drugs, etc has to go back there.
WaPo 2017: “A side effect of peace in Colombia? A cocaine boom in the U.S.”
Heck the best example is Obama’s “Fast and Furious” where guns purchased in the USA found their way into Mexico. All documented.
Wiki “”Gunwalking”, or “letting guns walk”, was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, which ran a series of sting operations between 2006 and 2011 in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF “purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them”. These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project int…”
Boggs, your callous dismissal of 800,000 people (human beings) suggests you need a heart replacement.
Sofranac: vulgarity does not become you, nor does it add any positive to this open forum. As to your outcries for the wall of contention, there are some serious considerations that neither you nor your POTUS seem to have considered:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UdUIXvwuwto
.
“Boggs, your callous dismissal of 800,000 people (human beings) suggests you need a heart replacement.”
Correct about the heart…in my careers I survived err thrived working in the worst crime ridden city; spent years in 3 war zones; and overcoming ruthless bureaucrats….
Maybe your opinion will change as the Feds don’t exactly know how many people they employ: “the federal workforce is composed of an estimated 2 million civilian workers,”
Federal Workforce Statistics Sources: OPM and OMB
Julie Jennings Senior Research Librarian
Jared C. Nagel Senior Research Librarian
January 12, 2018
According to the Office of Personnel Management (OPM), the federal workforce is composed of an estimated 2 million civilian workers,1 and several federal agencies collect, compile, and publish statistics about this workforce. Sources may vary in their totals due to differences in how federal workforce statistics are compiled. Some sources rely on “head counts” of employees (such as the Office of Management and Budget [OMB]), some on total hours worked (OPM), some on surveys of employing agencies, and others on self-identification by workers surveyed in their homes. In addition, federal civilian employee databases may exclude particular departments, agencies, or branches of government. Some may also account for temporary or seasonal employees (such as those employed by the U.S. Census) depending on the time of year the statistics are generated. This report focuses on differences in methodologies, including exclusions, and the frequency of data collection employed by OMB and OPM to determine the size and scope of the federal workforce. These differences will facilitate the selection of appropriate data for specific purposes.
Gentlemen, I can not believe that the furloughed employees are considered by you as persons who should be summarily fired as nonessential.
Most of the persons labeled “nonessential” perform vital functions.
As an example, if the President is earnest in deporting criminals, why are the most of the Immigration Judges labeled nonessential when thousand of cases must be heard as required by law. The Immigration Judges at detention centers continue to work without pay while their colleagues who have non-detained dockets are on furlough and they have numerous hearings, including deportation hearings for criminal aliens. I cannot think of a single position within the Immigration Court system which should go unfulfilled. These persons are not “minor bureaucratic functionaries”. It is a folly to simply say fire all government employees labeled nonessential.
I agree that there is lots of taxpayer monies wasted, just look at GAO reports on the monies wasted during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Our whole government process for acquisition of goods and services is totally flawed.
By the way, did the National Review indicated if the bird watching monies related to clearing air base runways of birds to avoid plane strikes? There are many pork barrel projects awarded because it was a request by congressperson for his/her district, Was this such a project?
I really enjoy the exchange of ideas. Keep them coming.
Maybe if the Wall is built, the immigration caseloads will do down! Hey?
LOVING the tunnel vision displayed by the Trumpsters. As a bunch who denigrate scientific studies I can understand that they don’t have a clue what the purpose is of any funded research so they make fun of the title and leave it at that. The people not working at Social Security will only leave claimants and recipients with longer wait times getting paid or making corrections to their records and stopping overpayments that can develop due to changes in their status under Soc Sec and/or SSI eligibility. All the people who operate businesses that serve food to the people who are not working will lose that income for how long it takes. But concerns beyond the size of their “hands” is not something Trumpsters can engage in.
Is this the prime motivator behind Tweety’s wall tantrums? Is Erdogan needling him about his success at starting a 500 mi wall while Tweety is in a fight with Congress? Is Putin joining in on the needling?
Note that contrary to the headline, ALL the other “walls” cited are FENCES or a mix, like ours, of FENCES and walls.http://americanactionnews.com/articles/9-turkey-syria